The Whine

by Miss Britt on February 5, 2009

My mom says it’s just a phase.

My jaw muscles say it feels like this phase has gone on forever.

My back teeth are being worn into nubs from the constant attempts to not. lose. my shit.

I’m pretty sure I’m the world’s worst mother.

I’m also pretty sure that the most annoying, frustrating, brain bleed inducing sound in the entire world is the high pitched whine of a pouty three year old.

The sound follows a bell curve, low at first and then swelling to octaves heard only by dogs and mothers. It ends in a whimper and a primal urge to shake something. Not that I have ever shaken either one of my children. But I’m doing a lot of eyes closed, counting to ten, deep. fucking. breathing.

And jaw clenching.

And teeth grinding.

My mother says it’s a phase. But I don’t remember this phase with Devin. I remember defiance, yes. I remember wondering when my sweet, loving little boy turned into a mouthy, disobedient monster. I remember thinking please God, let this be a phase.

But I do not remember this whine.

I can’t imagine I could have forgotten about this whine.

And I have no idea what to do with it. I’m torn between the experts who tell me to foster a safe environment where she’s free to express herself, and my parental need to not. raise. a crybaby. I’m repulsed at the idea of telling my child, my flesh, to stop whining. Or stop crying. Or stop feeling whatever you’re feeling. The last thing I want to do is bring another repressed, emotionally stunted person into this world.

Or maybe the last thing I want is to unleash another whining, crying, entitled drama queen onto society.

Not that Emma is any of those things. Because she’s three, obviously. And a temper tantrum from an adult is not the same as an emotional meltdown for a toddler. I get that.

But I also worry, as her mother, where that line begins and ends. Is this when I’m supposed to be making the decisions that determine what kind of an adult she’ll be? Is this when I decide for her if she’ll be a strong communicator or a person who stuffs their feelings inside? Or is this when she learns that life isn’t always fair and you don’t always get what you want and that’s OK?

I have a heightened awareness of the opportunity to fuck this kid up. I can keep my calm and issue time outs – which could send the message that no one wants to see you cry. Or I can ignore it and send the message that no one hears you. Or I can drop to my knees and hold her and affirm her and teach her that if you throw a big enough fit, you will get your way.

Everywhere I turn is a chance for another misstep. And all the while I’m listening to the sound and clenching my teeth and closing my eyes and trying to see what the right next thing is.

And I have no fucking clue what to do with the whine.

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43 Comments so far

  1. avitable February 5, 2009 9:27 am

    Just give her some cheese to go with it!

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @avitable, really?

    Wow.

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    avitable Reply:

    @Miss Britt, what? Was that a bad pun or something?

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  2. Misty February 5, 2009 9:29 am

    Girls are so different from boys, never had the whine or all the emotion from my son, but my daughter sure dose have it and then some. It does get better. We have just hit 5 and I have seen a marked improvement. You didn’t ask for advise so I won’t give you any, but from a mother that was and still is there it does eventually get better.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Misty, knowing it gets better is advice enough. Thank you.

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  3. radioactivegirltori February 5, 2009 9:49 am

    I feel for you. I have no advice for you. Number one, you don’t need someone to tell you what to do,and number 2 I can’t even remember what I did. I am betting it was some form of hugging the child and also reminding them that they can’t always get what they want or sending them to their room when it went on and on after I reassured them that it was ok to feel your feelings but that doesn’t mean people want to hear those feelings over and over but I must have blocked it all out because I honestly don’t remember. I know you know you will get through this, but I also know telling you that doesn’t help it feel any better. So, for now I will just think good thoughts that time passes quickly so you can be done with this part fast.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @radioactivegirltori, dear God let this be something I can block out some day!

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  4. Dawn February 5, 2009 9:53 am

    I don’t have kids so it might be wrong to recommend ear plugs. ;-)

    However you decide to handle Emma, I’m sure she’ll grow up to be a terrific adult, just like her momma. :)

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Dawn, man I hope so.

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  5. themuttprincess February 5, 2009 9:55 am

    I have to be honest with you. I have a boy, and for the most part they don’t do THAT whine.

    I have a neice and friends with girls that have that specific whine down. Hard. And it really annoys me and makes me want to scream myself. I think your mom is right, it is just a phase and it will pass. (not quickly enough, I know–and hopefully before she turns 18)

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @themuttprincess, I never gave much credit to the “difference between boys and girls” until I had one of each. It is so strange to see, especially in THESE particular kids.

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  6. Deb February 5, 2009 9:55 am

    I have two sons, the older stoic and laid-back, the younger more expressive and driven by his feelings. He was a whiner. I got all Buddist on his whiny ass. I’d say, “You feel annoyed. Feelings come and feelings go. Let me know when you feel NOT annoyed and we’ll color.” And then I’d pop a Xanax and things would be fine.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Deb, I have xanax…

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  7. Angel February 5, 2009 10:05 am

    I have two girls and two boys, and while one boy is a whiner, it’s not THAT whine. That was strictly girl territory in my house. They are 5 and 7 now and we still battle the whine. It gives me an instant bricks-on-my-chest-and-if-it-doesn’t-stop-I’m-going-to-bust-out-of-my-FREAKING-skin anxiety attack.

    Not that it has instantly solved the problem, but I’ve been asking them if they are hurt, and if not-and it’s always not-telling them that they have to speak in a normal tone if they want me to listen to their complaint. If they choose not to communicate in an appropriate way, then I send them to their rooms to calm down and thy can come out and try again whenever they are ready.

    But my girls are older, and I can’t remember what I did when they were 3. I must have blocked it out like women forget how much childbirth hurts. If I remembered the first one I probably wouldn’t have had the second, lol.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Angel, 5 and 7? 5 and 7?!?!??!

    I’m going to die.

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  8. Thursday's Child February 5, 2009 10:16 am

    I was the over-emotional one in my family, too. That said, I’m still probably that way. I don’t have kids, so I’m in no position to offer assvice, but I can tell you what my parents did with me, and how I’ve reacted to it.

    My parents were along the lines of “Stop crying. There’s no reason to do that. JUST STOP IT.” Subsequently, I began doing exactly what you said, I started repressing emotion.

    Now then. There’s a BIG difference in telling your child to stop feeling something and to control that emotion a little better. Because, let’s face it, emotional over-reaction will probably hinder them if they don’t get over it. There’s a BIG difference in telling your child to stuff it, and showing them how they might better handle a situation.

    *shrug* The former is how my parents treated me initially. The latter is how they treated me later. Maybe it was a matter of age, I dunno, but the latter worked much better for me.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Thursday’s Child, thanks for sharing. It’s nice to see the differences from the child’s perspective.

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  9. Mindee February 5, 2009 10:24 am

    The only people who call them the “terrible two” are those who have not yet experienced a three year old.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Mindee, Amen.

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  10. Just Me February 5, 2009 10:35 am

    Kudos to Mindee for saying it right! I have an older son, a three year old daughter….who whines. My son never did. I think its a girl thing. And what to do with it??? Im still figuring that out. I try to use the “I can’t hear you or help you through the whining. Calm down, come back to me, and talk to me like a big girl” approach….but yeah, it only works 1 out of 10 times.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Just Me, 1 out of 10 sounds like my odds as well.

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  11. Little Miss Sunshine State February 5, 2009 10:55 am

    Remember the SNL skit about The Whiners?
    “We’re gonna have a baby. It’s gonna be a little Whiner”

    We handled it like #7 Angel. We told her we couldn’t listen to her when she whined, that she had to talk to us without whining.
    We would tell her to stop, take a big breath, and tell us what was wrong.

    If it continued, we’d sometimes look at each other and say “Do you hear something? It’s a whining kind of a sound? Where is that coming from? It can’t be HER. Ignore it and see if it stops.”

    My son never whined once in his life. I think it might be a girl thing.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Little Miss Sunshine State, hmmm… I’ve never seen that skit.

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  12. Jamie February 5, 2009 11:36 am

    what your mommy dearest is failing to tell you is it is a solely GIRL phase and the phase ends at age 10 or 11….i’m sorry, but that’s the god’s honest truth..i’ve lived through it with my older daughter…her phase ended around the age of 9, ironically when she became really good at reading, and i’m currently living with it now with my almost 7 year old…by the way, it goes from the whine to the over dramatic SCREAM of a banshee and the YELLING and the SCREAMING and the throwing of hissy fits…she will be WONDERFUL for other people, however with YOU she will let out her inner demon child…good luck, and buy a tooth guard, you’re teeth will thank you for it.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Jamie, someone shoot me.

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  13. Sybil Law February 5, 2009 11:40 am

    My daughter wasn’t a huge whiner, because if there’s one thing I don’t deal with well, it’s whining. It grates on my nerves like nothing else! I’d tell her to talk tome with words and no whining – sometimes, it worked.Most of the time, it didn’t. So I ignored it. Eventually, she’d come tell me what the problem was, and I’d talk to her about how it’s okay to FEEL that way but not to ACT that way; that I would never, ever respond to whining.
    Then again, she’s 7 now, and sometimes still whines, even though she can repeat my mantra right back to me!
    In other words: good luck! and I don’t know.
    :)

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Sybil Law, we should swap daughters.

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  14. DemMom February 5, 2009 12:07 pm

    Obviously, every kid and family is different. But I’ll tell you about my experience. My daughter whined like crazy for a few months when she was 4, but it seems to have decreased dramatically since she turned 5. It’s a phase. But I would tell her (I would TRY to do it calmly) that I can’t understand her when she whines and that I need her to use words and her big girl voice.
    Also, my husband’s favorite phrases to teach the kids: “Life isn’t always fair,” and “You get what you get and don’t get upset/throw a fit.” It hadn’t actually occurred to me that this might be too tough. But we (nor are you) using these mottos as we beat or starve our children. We’re saying it to teach them and to do what is best for them.
    That’s just me.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @DemMom, She turns 4 in a month. Maybe that will be my salvation. :-)

    I worry a lot! lol

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  15. hello haha narf February 5, 2009 12:23 pm

    oh you are gonna love this one, because as you know i have no children. (clearly this makes me the authority on how to raise kids!)

    i whined as a child. a lot. mom was doing the single parent thing, trying to work and raise me. i didn’t like to have my curly hair brushed coz it hurt. so i would whine about it. loudly.

    also? even then i had my own fashion “sense” (and hated to have mom pick out my clothing…we are talking that i wanted to wear plaid and stripes in colors that clash, while mom didn’t think that was a good idea).

    so every damn day was a fight before we could even leave the house. an exhausted woman who dearly loved her baby girl was about to lose her mind. so she told me to talk to her without whining and we could compromise. she explained compromise. she got me to stop whining and tell her what i wanted to wear, we compromised on some things and then she gave me the brush so that i could brush my own hair. everyone was happy. for one day.

    the very next day i whined about the hair, the clothes and what i wanted to eat for breakfast. mom swatted me on the butt and told me it was ok for me to have an opinion, however it was unacceptable for me to whine about it. when i could communicate and negotiate and compromise without whining i would have a say in the things that mattered to me. otherwise, she was the parent and i would do what she said or pay the price with a swat on the butt. second day i learned that i didn’t like that (gentle) swat on the butt.

    damned if compromise still isn’t one of my favorite words.

    and you do know that i wore plaid and stripes to an extended family christmas because i didn’t whine about what i wanted to make me happy. i still have the pictures of happy little becky standing in front of grandma’s christmas tree while in clashing clothing.

    so i guess i am saying a talk and a swift punishment might just resonate in her head.

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    hello haha narf Reply:

    sorry for the mini post in your comments! damn, i am full of ramblings today.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @hello haha narf, if Emma grows up to be like you.. I will consider myself a successful parent.

    Unless she wears plaids with stripes.

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  16. Turnbaby February 5, 2009 1:15 pm

    I think there is some brilliant advice already here.

    I wish someone would tell The Breeder that it is okay to have children who learn NOT to scream as high and as loud as they possibly can every time someone looks at them wrong.

    And the restatement of why I love my dogs goes on;-)

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Turnbaby, wait, am I The Breeder in this scenario?

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    Turnbaby Reply:

    @Miss Britt, OMG NO!!!!! I was referring to a neighbor –whom Brad has dubbed ‘The Breeder’ as she has four children under the age of 7. And they play outside a LOT and they seemingly have never been taught that screaming in that way is only for real emergencies not for when the neighbor kid looks at you funny

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  17. Ms Batman February 5, 2009 1:23 pm

    I think you’re really over thinking this. She’s three. You can’t start seriously screwing up your kids until they are at least 7 or 8. That’s when they start seriously remember things. This will pass. If not, pass the tequila.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Ms Batman, I don’t agree with that AT ALL.

    Who my son is was MORE than starting to form at 3. Hell, who Emma is is already evident.

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  18. SingleParentDad February 5, 2009 1:39 pm

    Whining is a form of feeling sorry for yourself, and that is a path no one should be on, totally pointless process. The ability to express your feelings, or feel what’s inside you are different things.

    When my son whines, I ask him to explain what he is feeling, or what he wants, and then attempt to get him to focus on the positive parts of what he says, or indeed assist the process of finding a solution.

    Failing that I whine right back. See how they like it. Whiners. Get rid of the ‘h’ and find an ‘n’.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @SingleParentDad, “Whining is a form of feeling sorry for yourself, and that is a path no one should be on, totally pointless process. ”

    agreed

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  19. Sheila (Charm School Reject) February 5, 2009 1:46 pm

    My son is a wiener, not a whiner.

    He cries and gets upset but doesn’t pitch fits.

    My daughter on the other hand? I can foresee awholehelluvalot of total meltdowns and temper tantrums.

    Please – let me know what you decide.

    I already fucked one kid up. No need to repeat that. So let me know what works.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Sheila (Charm School Reject), hahahaahhaha – I’ll be sure to keep you updated!

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  20. ali February 5, 2009 2:04 pm

    some of the time i just ignore isabella’s whining. if it gets annoying enough, she gets the 1-2-3 and then you are in your room for 3 minutes. (note: it’s annoying enough A LOT. girl spends a lot of time in her room)

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @ali, my power to ignore is.. um.. inconsistent, let’s say

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  21. Fear and Parenting in Las Vegas February 5, 2009 3:17 pm

    Some totally unsolicited advice?

    Kids will use the tools that work for them. As long as whining, hitting, or biting gets them what they want, they will continue to do it.

    Of course this is coming from a woman who just had her front teeth bonded after grinding gooves in them that were big enough to catch a credit card in.

    Pick your poison, darlin. I’ll pour.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Fear and Parenting in Las Vegas, thanks ;-)

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  22. Britt's Mom February 5, 2009 3:47 pm

    Try the squirt gun idea. At least it will make you feel better :-)

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Britt’s Mom, *sigh* helpful, Mom. Thanks.

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  23. Lisa February 5, 2009 4:20 pm

    First of all I think you are an excellent mother. The fact that this bothers you and everything you are taking into consideration speaks volumes.

    Both of my daughters went through the whining phase and still occasionally just like I do. They out grew it without anyone losing their sanity. For me, it took a lot of patience. It also was trial and error…knowing when to step in and put my foot down or letting them express their independence.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Lisa, you are so much more ZEN than I am.

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    Lisa Reply:

    @Miss Britt, more ZEN? Maybe but I think it’s having a great shrink that really helps me…LOL

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  24. kapgar February 5, 2009 4:50 pm

    Dammit. Avitable took my line. Fucker.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @kapgar, you too?!?!

    sigh

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  25. floating princess February 5, 2009 4:55 pm

    I think there’s a big difference between stifling her feelings and teaching her a more productive way of expressing them. I have a boy so I didn’t experience the full-on girly whining except when I was dishing it out myself at her age. I do remember that feeling that one wrong move would cause irrepairable harm to his tender young psyche, but it turns out it’s a lot harder to screw them up than it looks!

    I like the squirt gun idea myself! I wonder if that works on husbands.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @floating princess, I like the idea of framing it as “more productive”

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  26. SciFi Dad February 5, 2009 5:26 pm

    I’m in the same spot, although I know the source of the whine (weaning off the nap makes her overtired by dinner hour), and I too am torn. I HATE self-pity, and I find myself thinking, “What is so awful that you have to cry? Things aren’t THAT bad! Just suck it up if this {whatever} bothers you.”

    And then I feel shitty because she isn’t wrong for feeling something, even if I can’t make sense of it.

    Sorry, no solutions – just shared experiences.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @SciFi Dad, this starts at 5:30 in the morning.

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  27. Tiffany February 5, 2009 5:28 pm

    I could have written this post verbatim. I have an almost three year old who LOVES to whine about EVERYTHING! I have to admit that I am guilty, I tell her “Stop whining and use your big girl voice.” And, I have given her time out’s for whining. But she will stop, and she is not as bad as she used to be. I don’t think she realized she was whining. So, in some ways, pointing it out helped.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Tiffany, I’ve done both of those things.

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  28. Faiqa February 5, 2009 6:38 pm

    Just keep loving her. Just the way you are doing right now. Just the way you always have and always will. She’ll be fine.

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    Faiqa Reply:

    Oh. And so will you. :)

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Faiqa, thanks :-)

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  29. Tonz February 5, 2009 7:29 pm

    I have no kids and therefore can’t offer any advice. Although I do like the squirt gun idea!!

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Tonz, that seems to be a popular option among people without kids. LOL

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  30. Kimberly February 5, 2009 7:59 pm

    Drink more.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Kimberly, of course!

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  31. Brittany February 5, 2009 10:02 pm

    I don’t know, I have boys, and just tonight I was crying on the phone to my mom, all i am doing these days is yelling. YELLING! All the time! I can’t do it anymore.

    Annnndddd….I have no relevant advice.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Brittany, I remember saying that about Devin.

    On, like, Tuesday or something.

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  32. Stephanie February 5, 2009 11:03 pm

    Oh my god, I don’t need to be reading stuff like this!

    :)

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Stephanie, well you’re stuck with it NOW!

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  33. Blondefabulous February 5, 2009 11:12 pm

    I like my whine served with a nice brie and tapas…..

    but then that’s just me.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Blondefabulous, I am so, so glad to see you here.

    XO

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  34. Lizzle February 6, 2009 1:02 am

    When I was a preschool teacher I got a lot of whining kids in my 3 year old room. One thing that worked for me, because good god I was about to bash my head into a wall, was trying to make them laugh the second they started whining. They usually got distracted and then could tell me what they really needed. And then I got labeled as the silliest teacher ever. Meh, it might work. Might not. Keep a bottle of something nearby in case and good luck!

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Lizzle, I could NEVER be a preschool teacher. Ever.

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  35. Allyson February 6, 2009 11:20 am

    I didn’t read any of te other comments, so I apologize if I’m repeating someone else. But, I read an article in a mommy ‘zine and the few times I’ve tried this technique it has worked for my three year old. I tell him that he can go be whiney, or upset in his room. That when he calms down and can talk to me without whining I will listen to him, and try to thelp him. I had to show him how to scream into a pillow, I also showed him how to beat his bed, and how to take a deep breath and speak calmly.

    When I started all this, (I just remembered after I typed the above) I started by telling him that I would only talk to him when he could talk with a happy face. I told him to go make his grumpy face in his room and to come back when he could smile. I was shocked at how well this logic worked on him. When we were home. It took much longer to adjust his behaviour in public.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Allyson, I have tried that and sometimes it does work.

    Not always. But sometimes.

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  36. Ms Batman February 6, 2009 1:51 pm

    The people my children were at three was so different that the people they are now at 15, 11 and 9. At 3 my youngest was so attached to my thigh (literally) we thought she’d take it to school with her when she turned 5. At 5 she didn’t even want me to walk her in the door her first day of school. The child who would not look at a stranger let alone talk to one is now the one who will walk into the middle of a group of kids and introduce herself AND her sister.
    I know that the people they are now, still isn’t the people they will grow up to be.

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    Miss Britt Reply:

    @Ms Batman, I definitely don’t think they are complete. But I don’t think they forget everything that happens before 7, either.

    I know I remember things from when I was younger than that age.

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  37. Ren February 6, 2009 4:11 pm

    I don’t think the older of my daughters ever went through a full-own whine phase, but I assume my younger daughter did. (I’ve apparently blocked it out even better than @radioactivegirltori.)

    The whiny voice, on the other hand, is something with which I am very familiar. I rarely hear it from my 11-year-old now, but still quite often from the 9-year-old (nearly 10, really). For years our response has been that we do not respond to whiny voice and that she must restate whatever it is. In retrospect, I’m not sure that has had any effect.

    The younger one also has more of a temper, so sometimes the intolerance of the whiny voice leads straight to silent, angry-face. Oh, well.

    Good luck!

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  38. Shawna February 6, 2009 6:58 pm

    I think it’s the pitch that girls manage to pull off that make it the worst. I too, have little nubbins of teeth left from the clench and grind I have been using to keep my cool. I may remind them of the dental bills when they are older and won’t pay for the GOOD nursing home.

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  39. Tilly February 8, 2009 2:16 am

    I didn’t read all the comments but I’m guessing no one mentioned this; (I may well be slightly more demented and whacked than you, unless you just put the good stuff on the blog)
    but I use a spray bottle of hot sauce. JK, I use water. I thought it might seem less horrid if I came down from hot sauce to water…did it work?

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  40. The Mad White Woman February 8, 2009 1:01 pm

    OMG I know the whine well. My 5 year old does it C-O-N-S-T-A-N-T-L-Y when he doesn’t get his way or when Demon Boy tells him to get out of his room.

    Try duct tape.

    Works every time.

    ‘course, then they whine again when you rip it off.

    Damned if you do…damned if you don’t.

    Meh.

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  41. Tilly February 9, 2009 12:31 am

    Ohh! I just thought of another thing I do…

    Scream louder. “Everyone into the living room!” (I only have two kids)

    Now scream. Louder. Louder. Sissies. LOUDER!

    And damn, they are laughing, I’m laughing.

    And the old lady next door is half dead.

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  42. Lynda February 10, 2009 3:43 pm

    Looking at my 3 year old nephew, I would have to say that 3 is the age where the whole world revolves around them. My nephew does this high pitch, ear splitting scream. My mom tells him it is unacceptable behavior and screaming isn’t going to help him get his way.

    I’d say go with your instincts. You seem like a great mom to me.

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  43. Courtney February 11, 2009 8:58 pm

    Isn’t it remarkable and frightening the amount of influence we have on these little creatures? I’m not there yet so I have no advice. Just know that you’re a good mom and you’ll do just fine. However you choose to handle it.

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