It Seems The Problem In My Marriage Is Me

by Miss Britt on September 8, 2008

Maybe some people just aren’t made for marriage.

Perhaps I am one of them.

The evidence certainly seems to be leaning in that direction.

That’s not to say that I don’t love my husband or enjoy being married.  I just, by all accounts, suck at it.  Every relationship instinct I have appears to be the wrong one.  And every bit of wisdom or advice I ever receive is screaming for me to ignore those instincts.

I’m trying.

A few weeks ago I accepted the fact that any change would have to start with me.  I wasn’t happy about it.  Or graceful.  Or humble.  Or any of those things that a good wife should be.

I was resigned.  But it was a start.

I decided to put my energy into loving my husband instead of trying to make my husband love me.  I worked at letting go of my unmet expectations.  I went beyond not fighting.  I did more than bite my tongue and detach.  I smiled and I loved and I gave.

For two weeks, I gave everything I had and then some.

When I was tired, I dug deeper.  When I felt resentment rise up, I smiled wider and breathed deeper.  I reminded myself that nothing was that bad and that my job was making him happy.

And it worked like a fucking charm.

At least, outwardly.  We laughed and we played.  He smiled and visibly relaxed.  We didn’t have a single fight about schedules or responsibilities and everyone seemed to be more at ease.

It was hard to deny that the problem had been me all along, and not him.

My anger, my resentment, my frustration and need for “fairness” – all of it had disappeared the moment *I* removed it.  And nothing was left in it’s place but peace and harmony.

Damn it, that’s humbling.

But still!  YAY!  Marriage figured out!  Happily ever after here we come!  All I have to do is be a wonderful, loving wife instead of an angry, demanding shrew and everything works just fine! Somebody give this lady a talk show!

Except…

Well…

It seems…

I still suck at this.

Because over the course of the two weeks I noticed that my husband was receptive to the extra attention.  He was appreciative of the peace.  He was even, at times, grateful for the added care.  What he wasn’t… was reciprocal.

Not that I was supposed to notice.

And I didn’t.  At first.  I was focused on his needs and his happiness.  I put myself on the back burner and turned down the heat.  I told myself that his happiness was ultimately the same as our happiness.  I reminded myself of this as the days went by and I started to feel like maybe there was an entirely new reincarnation of imbalance in my home.

And I was completely full of shit.

I SUCK at humility.  I SUCK ASS at submission and selflessness.

To every troll who has ever come here to tell me what a horrible, demanding, shrew of a wife I am?  YOU’RE RIGHT!  YOU WIN!  YAY FOR YOU!

I fucking tried the other way.  I gave and I gave until I feared I wouldn’t have another fucking ounce left in me.  But I did it thinking that at some point the favor would be returned.  I had this perfect little plan in my head where I would take care of him and then he would take care of me.

AND THAT’S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS!

AT ALL!

I took care of him like a good little wife. I smiled and I nodded and I – well, let’s just say I gave a lot, OK?  And he smiled and patted me on the head with a kiss and a “thanks!” and went on about his merry fucking way.

UM, EXCUSE ME?

Why can’t I do this?  Why can’t I get this right? Why can’t I be like those women who genuinely don’t need so god damn much? Why can’t I just build my whole damn life around this man with no ulterior motive or expectations of my own?

I’d be lying if I didn’t admit that the last question… my last why… is why doesn’t he want to take care of me?

But I don’t think I want to know the answer to that question.  The odds seem to indicate that the problem there would lie with me also, and not him.

Maybe some people just suck at marriage.

Perhaps I am one of them.

The evidence certainly seems to be leaning in that direction.

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115 Comments so far

  1. avitable September 7, 2008 5:02 pm

    You do NOT suck at marriage. It’s not wrong or bad for you to expect unsolicited reciprocation from your spouse. And it’s not wrong or bad for you to be frustrated when that doesn’t happen.

    You deserve to be appreciated just for being you.

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  2. Sybil Law September 8, 2008 12:15 am

    If you suck, then I suck, too.
    Actually, I’ve thought that for a long time. I feel like, either I am completely not made out for this shit, or perhaps I am with the wrong person.
    Who the fuck knows?!
    I hope we can figure it out.
    :hug:

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  3. BlondeBlogger September 8, 2008 12:30 am

    I’m sorry, Britt. I wish I had some wonderful words of wisdom, but I truly don’t know what to say. But I’m here and I care. :hug:

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  4. lianne September 8, 2008 12:31 am

    um.. I’m no expert in marriage. I’ve done it 3 times, and each time it was fucked.

    But what I know, is that women are normal, men are not. And sometimes it just doesn’t occur to a guy to do stuff like compliment, etc.

    and then, the other shit factor is this: you trained him to be what he is.

    i know, i know, don’t hate me.

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  5. BlondeBlogger September 8, 2008 12:31 am

    Oh, but I will say that I think you are being way too hard on yourself. I see nothing selfish or shrewish in the least in what you’ve written here.

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  6. othurme September 8, 2008 12:33 am

    I think the key for most women in finding a happy marriage is feet binding. Give it a try.

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    Ian Reply:

    @othurme….you are on the ball..!! why do you think marriages don’t work….its these selfish women…that allow there brains to function in the wrong way…??? relationships..reciprocal…please…you have had the wrong priest teaching you the gospel..??
    John 6:12 blessed is the bitch that parts her lips…!!!

    Luv
    XXXX

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  7. Amanda September 8, 2008 12:38 am

    I think relationships are supposed to be reciprocal, right? give and take?

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    Ian Reply:

    @Amanda, exactly….sugar…I give …you take…!! That’s reciprocal…!!! I feel we have some electricity happening here..??

    Luv
    XXX

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  8. B.E. Earl September 8, 2008 12:45 am

    Relationships are supposed to be difficult. It makes us appreciate the good times even during the bad times.

    Yeah, it sounded even stupidier in my head. Never mind. Move along. Nothing to see here. Ugh.

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  9. Anonymous September 8, 2008 12:58 am

    I wish I could give you some advice. But, seeing where my marriage is, well, umm, I’m not one to speak words of love.
    But, what’s worked in the past was a program called Love and Respect. (loveandrespect.com) Check it out…

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    janie Gittings Reply:

    I tried the “love and respect” dvds. I thought they were great! My husband watched them and said, “Yeah, I’ve thought you were acting childish all along.” That didn’t go well. What an awful way to begin a positive conversation! He apologized nicely for treating his ex with more consideration than me…and then, he was back to his same attitude of ugly sarcasm and lack of compassion. The series is great for a receptive heart but not for someone who is being forced to watch it as an ultimatum. Bad idea! Yea, I’m feeling like I’m the problem too. I’m the woman who actually wants to be loved and respected. Is that sooo much to ask of the person who promises to love and respect you? Oh, I suppose that’s only during those times when it’s not offense to anyone else…ex’s, friends, kids, co-workers. I think about what an idiot I am for not seeing this ahead of time. Seems no one else wanted the man until I did. Now I’m heartbroken to hear him talk to others with compassion and respect and talk to me with negative sarcasm and frustration. I tried pouring out love and respect and only got pushed to the side more. How humiliating! I’m a very attractive, funny, well educated woman. What’s wrong with me? I’ve never bee treated this way before. I’ve even tried being a “yes, woman”. It wasn’t easy because I feel as though my opinions and ideas have value…but I let him be the smartest, funniest, etc. Didn’t work. I’m at a loss. First husband was 20 years and passed away. This one is 2 years and I’m tired! Too tired to keep talking and explaining only to be wrong in how I think and how I feel. This sucks!!!!!

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  10. Lex September 8, 2008 1:11 am

    I have only been a reader of yours for about a week. (thanks by the way for posting that google reader thing!) Anyway, I just wanted you to know that I feel for you. I tried to stand up one day for what I wanted in my marriage, and instead it came out demanding and threatening. And lead to a series of conversation that ultimately got us going in completely different directions. I hope that you have more success than I have. It IS hard! But I still think it’s worth it. If somehow my husband and I can find our paths converged again, I will do it all again. I’m so glad that you are choosing the difficult thing. Don’t give up. :hug:

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  11. Mary September 8, 2008 1:21 am

    Britt, Please hang in there. You are a good and solid person. Anyting else I had to say would just be blathering.

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  12. Bonnie B. September 8, 2008 1:21 am

    Puh-leeze stop trying to figure this out on your own thereby (did I just say ‘thereby’?)blaming yourself when it doesn’t work. You’re trying to fix something without knowing what tools to use, Britt. And the person who will give you the tools is a marriage counselor. Do this please BEFORE the resentment takes hold and you can’t get out of it’s grasp.

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  13. Tori September 8, 2008 1:26 am

    i really want to make a joke about if you’d give up the ass, it’d all work out… but that’s just not funny considering how much you’ve shared with us. :kiss: I wish things were different… and I still may make the anal secks joke another time… :cheese:

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  14. Twenty Four At Heart September 8, 2008 1:38 am

    I’m real helpful. Lately I’ve come to the conclusion that marriage is an archaic institution developed when people married at 15 and were dead by 23 of old age. Who the hell can make it thru decade after decade? Not many. Aren’t I encouraging? Sorry!!

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  15. Momma September 8, 2008 1:44 am

    Gotta tell ya, it is the same story. The very same. Saw it all the time, over and over, in our age group down to yours (I’m 65) There are lots of helps out there, if you both are willing, (and really, most men want success in marriage too) just to find the one which fits. Ours was church based; some like Marriage Encounter but the one best fit for us was “Marriage Ministry International,” (LOTS AND LOTS of time commitment….Tons of it) pentecostal based, though we are RC.

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  16. Maggie September 8, 2008 1:48 am

    I hope this gives you a chuckle, Brit. I thought Avitable was your hubby for quite a while (about 6 months, anyway), until I read his comment here and thought to myself, why is Brit’s hubby leaving a comment??

    Not one of my brighter moments…

    Maggie

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  17. Momma September 8, 2008 1:49 am

    And GOD…what is this about Palin. I know I’m just a Canadian and haven’t got a clue, but really, how scary to us all that she could be within spittin distance of BECOMING the ……..GOD!!!!

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  18. whall September 8, 2008 2:17 am

    Ahhh, that’s just the lack of nicotine talking. Come back inna month and let’s see where you are. I mean, where he is.

    Oh, and I wanted to say one other thing.

    Mahwwage.

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  19. kateanon September 8, 2008 2:44 am

    I repeatedly think all the same things. I have figured out that I’m the problem and I can fix it and I can make it work. But I can’t. Because I’m not married to myself.

    It’s hard when there isn’t that reciprocation. Maybe some people don’t need it. You aren’t less because you do. (Note to self: neither am I)

    Hang in there…

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  20. heather September 8, 2008 4:25 am

    I’ve been reading your blog for awhile now (I love it!!) and wanted to say, I’m sorry you are going through this… I’m not sure what to call it, but I’ve been there. I did the same thing, for years. I have no good advice, as I sit here awaiting my divorce, but wish you nothing but the best of luck.

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  21. Faiqa September 8, 2008 5:44 am

    I don’t think you’re wrong for expecting something back. And I don’t think your husband’s failure to reciprocate represents a failure on your part. Or even on his part.

    Everyone’s willingness to change is a time line that they have to set for themselves.

    I have been exactly where you’ve been. Oh, hell, I still I find myself there every now and then.

    Times like this reiterate that any change that one makes in their life should first and foremost benefit their own soul. When one initiates personal change with their own interests in mind, I think that patience with other people’s time line for change automatically follows. That’s been my experience, anyway.

    Whatever happens, you’re an amazing woman, and I have no doubt you’ll be fine. More than fine. Dare I say, absolutely spectacular? :hug:

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  22. Robin September 8, 2008 5:47 am

    Way too hard on yourself. Seriously. Stop it. ::shakes finger waiting for Britt to rip it off Robin’s hand::

    At least you are trying everything to make your coupledom work. Sometimes, that has to be enough for now, you know?

    I hate to say it, but maybe you guys need to talk to a 3rd party? Maybe you could start off going alone and bringing the J in later once you feel comfortable?

    I don’t know what else to say…I wish I could do more to help you.

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  23. Crys September 8, 2008 6:02 am

    i had this very conversation with my mother last night. his name is off, my name is on. over and over we go, for years now, and i feel like i’ve lived my life in total accommodation to his (and everyone else’s) needs. now here i find myself feeling unanchored and unsure as to how to proceed — i don’t want to hurt him because he’s a good man, but how can i keep living like this? WHAT ABOUT ME?!

    maybe we can be roommates.

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  24. Blog Antagonist September 8, 2008 6:37 am

    Once, when Husband and I were going through a rough patch, I confided in a friend about it. Her advice was to give him more sex. She told me that men need to feel adored and needed and they equate lots of sex with being adored and needed. Now, I had expressed to her, that *I* was feeling that my needs were not being met…and that I couldn’t feel much sympathy for him over our lack of physical intimacy when there were so many things that *I* needed that weren’t being addressed.

    Weird advice, huh? Anyway…the thing is…there has to be reciprocation. Each person needs to feel needed and cared for. If you don’t, there is something wrong. And you shouldn’t feel bad for needing that.

    Marriage is hard. But I don’t think you’re doing it wrong or expecting too much.

    Sometimes though? Men just really need to be clubbed over the head to get stuff. Tell him everything you just said here. He probably doesn’t even know that you are grossly disappointed and resentful.

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  25. Been there, Done that September 8, 2008 6:50 am

    Be yourself. It’s the most comfortable thing that you can do. If it’s not good enough for somebody else, then that is their problem. Love yourself first.

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  26. manager mom September 8, 2008 6:53 am

    Of course you deserve reciprocation. that’s what seperates “marriage” from “stalking”. In a good marriage, both partners should be getting something. Maybe not everything everyday, but if the imbalance is sustained, painful, and real, then it’s a problem.

    I wish you the best.

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  27. Blondefabulous September 8, 2008 6:56 am

    Ok, everything I have heard about marriage has always said that it is a two way street! There should never be a “one way” sign, or there is gonna be a wreck really soon. HHH and I are pretty good at the two way thing, but I know we have our days whe he needs more, or I need more…..*sigh* I wish it could just be easy and not require so much damn thought. :banghead:

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  28. JG September 8, 2008 7:03 am

    You = woman Him = man….that should make it all crystal clear.

    We’re wired to be emotional and CARE….they’re wired to think about two things…sex and themselves.

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    ian Reply:

    @JG,

    Yes…at last some common sense…but slightly wrong…!!!

    Men have two emotions…Sex and food..!!
    If your man doesn’t have an erection…make him a fucking sandwich..!!

    That’s the route to a happy marriage..!!!

    XXXXXX

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  29. Mattie September 8, 2008 7:04 am

    I do know how you feel. At one time in my life, I was going through the same thing. Exactly.

    When it came down to sorting it all out, my husband told me that the reason he was always out of reach to me was because he never felt that I needed him. That because I was working, taking care of the house, the kids, and all that other peripheral stuff going on that I was perfectly capable of taking care of it all.

    He said that he did not see any vulner-abilities in me that he could step in and do his thing. His part of our partnership.

    He said that even if he did see or know that things were overwhelming for me that he did not dare step up and help for fear that he would be rejected.

    Once I stopped trying to be supermom, super cleaning lady, super grocery shopping, super career woman (the list is too long to type all of it here) then he was able to get in his contributions to our marriage and actually feel like he was an equal and willing partner.

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  30. hello haha narf September 8, 2008 7:13 am

    no one should live their life as second fiddle. marriage should be about each partner thinking they got the better part of the deal and each partner trying to constantly please the other. bullshit to one person being a “good” spouse by doing the equivalent of kissing the other’s ass.

    it takes two to tango.

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  31. SciFi Dad September 8, 2008 7:24 am

    For the record, I am not making jokes about the fact that many men want a “resigned” wife, nor about the desire for a wife who sucks. Just for the record.

    Another dad blogger, MetroDad, once said something about marriage that really stuck with me. I’ll paraphrase: Marriage is like a duck. On the surface, everything looks nice and smooth as the duck glides across the water. But underneath the water, the duck is paddling like crazy to make that happen. We just don’t see the effort.

    Expecting reciprocation doesn’t make you a shrew. I said it before (in the comments of your last post about this) and I will continue to say it until you believe me: marriage is a partnership. You’re not going into business with a “partner” where you do everything and they just reap the benefits, are you? Marriage truly is no different. Call it a two way street, call it fucking difficult, call it whatever you want to call it. Ultimately, it is a partnership, and if one partner isn’t at least making an effort to fulfill their side of the deal (I wanted to use the word obligation, but I didn’t like the connotation it had), then it is the right of the other partner to feel just how you feel.

    It’s not solely your fault that your situation has gotten to this point, no more than it is the fault of the one duck’s leg that is kicking while the other drags idle that the duck is going nowhere, just round and round in circles.

    (Sorry if you have to re-read that last paragraph a few times to comprehend the syntax.)

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  32. WendyB September 8, 2008 7:38 am

    Why do YOU suck at marriage? There are two people in this marriage, are there not? Of course, one person will be ecstatic if s/he are catered to all the time. But one partner having his/her ass kissed all the time is not a relationship. It’s fair for both partners to expect good treatment.

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  33. Deb on the Rocks September 8, 2008 7:43 am

    I hope you turn all that love you are brimming with and turn it on you, authentically, persistently, fiercely, truly, with devotion on you.

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  34. Nat September 8, 2008 7:52 am

    Perhaps it’s time to have a state of the relationship talk. Maybe he doesn’t know that you expect him to reciprocate. I say this because often time it’s been the source of much frustration on this end. Sounds dumb but “Hey, I need help.” goes a really long way.

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  35. themuttprincess September 8, 2008 8:05 am

    I am certainly not the one to really give you advice… Or anything in this area…. (I have 2 failed marriages….)

    BUT, maybe he just wants/needs you to take care of him. You are the one that he counts on, you are the “decision” maker in the house, you are the one he turns to to fix things… So the thanks he gives maybe all he thinks you need… or something….

    Or you could just talk to him.
    :martini:

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  36. Gina September 8, 2008 8:22 am

    Relationships should involve some level of reciprocation. Has there ever been reciprocation in the relationship? If there was once reciprocation it may be time to sit your husband down and ask him (calmly) what he thinks has changed. If there has never been reciprocation then you might ask yourself what brought yourself into the relationship and kept you in it so long without reciprocation.

    Selfishness is not inherently bad. It simply must be balanced with awareness of/consideration for others. If you are only taking care of others’ needs and not having your own needs met then you will slowly watch your spirit die. That would be a very sad thing. You have a wild and wonderful spirit and no one wants to see that die. It would be bad for your children to watch your spirit die too, to not have that spirited woman that you are as their mother for their entire childhood.

    Take care of you, Girl.

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  37. Selma September 8, 2008 8:22 am

    Britt, you don’t suck at marriage at all. You are completely entitled to feel appreciated. Sometimes a busy work routine can affect how well our partner reciprocates the effort we put into the relationship. Sometimes the apparent lack of caring is just habitual. Many men don’t know how to show their appreciation. I don’t mean that in a man-bashing, sexist way – some men are just unsure of the best way to proceed. Tell Jared how you feel. It is obvious he loves you. Maybe he’s just not sure how to turn a one way street into a two way street. Take care.

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  38. Zanthera Degore September 8, 2008 8:30 am

    Men say without words and one can find some men to be a little too silent. He is always coming home to you, he pays bills, he wants you “in bed,” and he is willing to listen to you and nod when he thinks appropriate. To a lot of men this is what love and relationship is about. It varies many degrees from Sappy chick flick seeing men to Mundo Macho Men who have no tear ducts.

    That is their give, resisting the primal urge of procreation with as many woman as they can. Some woman can do with that some can’t. Finding the right level or even discovering which level you prefer may take more than one guy.

    K.I.S.S because most men think that way when it comes to relationships.

    On other thing to keep in mind that I have learned from my single good looking days hanging out with the guys is this conversation I had over a decade ago:

    Me: Why is it that most guys I meet want nothing to do with me in a relationship?
    Him: ….
    Me: What’s that supposed to mean?
    Him: Um, you scare the crap out of me.
    Me: (looking at him dumbfounded)
    Him: You know what you want and you get it yourself. Your assertive and you don’t need a guy in your life.
    Me: What you saying I am needing other women?!?
    Him: No just you can take care of yourself and don’t need a guy. We want a small fragile woman we can take care and protect, that’s all.
    Me: Maybe I’ll just get a puppy.

    I remember it like yesterday. Now I have a puppy of a husband who doesn’t mind not being in charge. Works for me. We do know when to be partners and make decisions together on bigger things in life but the little things get done mostly when I yell and scream.

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  39. Kristin September 8, 2008 8:32 am

    If you suck, then I suck. But in reality, it’s our husbands that suck. They don’t realize that WE need to be taken care of from time to time!
    Tell him how you feel, I know Jared, and I know hat HE will be receptinve, and he will make a vested effot in helping!
    Love ya

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  40. Lisa September 8, 2008 8:38 am

    “I’d be lying if I didn’t admit that the last question… my last why… is why doesn’t he want to take care of me?”

    If I were in your shoes, I’d want to know the same damn thing but I don’t think you can place the blame on yourself entirely.

    I’m a veteran at sucking at marriage…it took three times for me to figure it out. Once I took away my HIGH and unrealistic expectations my life got a lot easier.

    I’m not saying that’s your problem…but it was mine.

    You know I’m always a phone call away!

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    Ian Reply:

    @Lisa, …at last…I’ve trawled thru these answers…to see if any of you get close….this is a venus and mars scenario…

    please girls…this is “v e r y” “s i m p l e”….you actually ask the question…”WHY”….the closest we get is “EH..??”
    You want a man to say why…shoot him in the belly half way thru the football game…that’s the attention grabber…couldn’t you wait for full time…???

    XXXX

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  41. Kate September 8, 2008 8:49 am

    I don’t think you suck at marriage.
    I think you made some awewsome changes.
    However, if you do it expecting he’ll change,
    than the motive is off (at least that’s how I look at it in my own relationship).
    While you deserve those things..
    it doesn’t guarantee you’ll get them by the changes you’ve made. And ALL of the problem is not with you.
    My partner and I went to couples counseling.
    And although I found out I had to make some changes. She did too. It’s not a one way street. I admire that you are willing to take a look at yourself and make some changes – but maybe he needs to do so, as well.

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  42. radioactivegirltori September 8, 2008 8:56 am

    Again I think we are living the same life. I have tried the same thing with the same results you got. I’m not sure if there are women out there that are ok with that, but I am definitely not one of them.

    I don’t think you suck at this, I think you just have expectations and needs that aren’t getting met. Marriage is a two way street. One person can’t selflessly give and give without getting anything in return. It just isn’t fair and isn’t kind to either of you. If you are not happy, you both should be working to change things, just as you would if he were the one who wasn’t happy.

    In my situation, I don’t want to have to ask him to talk to me, I don’t want to have to ask him to hug me…I want him to want to do it and to take initiative.

    I wish I had a solution for both of us though because it really stinks to love someone so very much and not know how to make it work in order for yourself to be happy too.

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  43. Marsha September 8, 2008 9:01 am

    Marriage is hard for me too! One thing that works for me that I thought I would share is that it seems to me that my husband is not wired in the same way I am wired. He sees the world as being about money and security more than being about feelings and peace. I don’t think it would ever occur to my husband to wonder if I need something. It doesn’t mean he doesn’t care his mind works differently. What worked for me is that I made out a list of all the things that happen in the evenings, my bad time of the day. I showed him the list and asked if he could pick a few things that would be his evening responsibilities so that we could divide the work and then both have a chance to relax and unwind before going to bed. For me, being stressed and working my ass off while my husband has his feet propped up sucks. So I very nicely and asked for help, I gave very specific details of what I needed him to do. And then, I never criticize how he does those things. He folds laundry and clears the table which isn’t a lot but it really makes a difference.

    Perhaps your husband is not as intuitive about what you need as you are to what he needs. Perhaps if you were to politely ask for one or two things he would oblige? It sucks that you have to ask. It is scary that he might say no. But, then again it might work. Perhaps if you hubby doesn’t want to pitch in he would be agreeable to hiring someone to do some of the grunt work that is needed in your home.

    I also wanted to say that you are not a horrible shrew. Being overwhelmed sucks. This really busy and hard period will not last forever.

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  44. Hallie September 8, 2008 9:09 am

    I’ll give but I better get too.

    It’s 50-50 or nothing!

    Hallie

    http://wonderfulworldofweiners.blogspot.com/

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  45. Miss Britt September 8, 2008 9:18 am

    avitable: “t’s not wrong or bad for you to expect unsolicited reciprocation from your spouse. And it’s not wrong or bad for you to be frustrated when that doesn’t happen.”

    Gosh, THAT sounds familiar. :-P

    Sybil Law: yeah, I waffled on that before – I know I’m with the right person. Or at least the most right person. :D

    BlondeBlogger: hey, that counts.

    lianne: “you trained him to be what he is.”

    I don’t hate you – I think there’s definitely some truth to that.

    BlondeBlogger: heh, I think I came off much nicer in this post than I probably am in real life.

    othurme: that sounds painful. Does it come with a massage?

    Amanda: I think “supposed to” is a slippery slope.

    B.E. Earl: that’s not stupid – it’s true.

    Anonymous: thank you very much for the link – I’m planning on checking it out.

    Lex: it’s definitely worth it. I’m a big believer in always working at it – even when it’s hard and uncomfortable and ugly.

    Mary: oh I’m hanging. No worries on that front. ;-)

    Bonnie B.: do counselors make house calls?

    Tori: nahhh, it’s still funny. :lol:

    Twenty Four At Heart: *snort* well I guess there’s THAT!

    Momma: thank you :heartbeat:

    Maggie: lots of people think that! I need to make my “about” page more clear. Beside Jared’s picture I’ll add a caption – NOT AVITABLE! lol

    Momma: *amen*

    whall: he HAS said the not smoking makes him crabby…

    kateanon: but can you imagine how easy it would be if we WERE those people??

    heather: I think *this* is just marriage. I think there is a reason they say good times AND bad. And really, in the grand scheme of things, I know it could be worse.

    Thanks for the luck.

    Faiqa: I’m impressed with myself for understanding what you just said.

    Robin: I’m not at all uncomfortable with the idea of a 3rd party. Realistically? I just don’t see how in the hell we would ever get to one at the same time with the two kids and work schedules.

    Crys: I call top bunk.

    Blog Antagonist: “Her advice was to give him more sex. She told me that men need to feel adored and needed and they equate lots of sex with being adored and needed. Now, I had expressed to her, that *I* was feeling that my needs were not being met…and that I couldn’t feel much sympathy for him over our lack of physical intimacy when there were so many things that *I* needed that weren’t being addressed.”

    This is basically the path I’ve been running down. And I KNOW that it works for some women. I wonder if those women are just… better, somehow.

    Been there, Done that: I’m going back and forth on that idea right now.

    manager mom: heh, stalking – awesome! lol

    Blondefabulous: easy marriage – sign me up.

    JG: so what you’re saying is – I need an electrician?

    Mattie: I think that I could absolutely be more clear about what I “need” or “want”. I know that because I can take care of myself, it’s hard to see I want to be taken care of.

    hello haha narf: wow, you actually sound kind of ticked in this comment becky!

    SciFi Dad: I LOVE that analogy. Both of them actually. I think I’m going to use that when I talk to Jared next.

    WendyB: right – but usually what happens is when one person is getting all loved up on, they naturally WANT to give back to the other person. Right?

    So what is it about me that either doesn’t inspire it – or doesn’t see it?

    Deb on the Rocks: well then I’d just have to deal with the guilt. ;-)

    Nat: “Maybe he doesn’t know that you expect him to reciprocate.”

    I think that is probably a valid statement.

    themuttprincess: I’m trying to imagine myself as that kind of woman. hahahahhahahahahha

    Gina: thanks Gina, there’s a lot to think about there…

    Selma: are you using appreciation the same as gratitude?

    Zanthera Degore: “Men say without words and one can find some men to be a little too silent. He is always coming home to you, he pays bills, he wants you “in bed,” and he is willing to listen to you and nod when he thinks appropriate. To a lot of men this is what love and relationship is about.”

    I think that is definitely the case with Jared.

    I also know that I am not the fragile woman that inspires chivalry in men. Damn it! LOL

    Kristin: I want you to know how lucky I am – how lucky WE are – to have a friend like you. Really. Your faith in US means so much. I couldn’t have asked for a better maid of honor all these years later.

    Lisa: no, it definitely absolutey IS my problem. That’s the one thing I noticed made such a HUGE difference over the past two weeks.

    Maybe I just need to keep taking that further.

    :heartbeat:

    Kate: yeah, I know my motives were off. That’s what pisses me off, that I can’t just do it just BECAUSE.

    radioactivegirltori: you know, I think it would be helpful if *I* could articulate what I need.

    But I’m afraid if I do that he’ll end up feeling the same old “I can’t ever do anything right” thing again.

    Marsha: that’s kind of what I’ve been thinking last night and this morning – that maybe I need to be more clear on my “needs”.

    Having to ask SUCKS.

    But it doesn’t take away from the fact that I KNOW witout a doubt he would never, ever tell me no if I asked.

    Hallie: and that works? Damn. You’re a lucky girl! LOL

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  46. greg t September 8, 2008 9:19 am

    I am a guy and I am more like you than your husband. I put way more “feeling” into my marriage than my wife does. Most men don’t acknowledge the feelings we all have. I have a need to be taken care of so I see other peoples need to be taken care of. So I take care of people. My wife, kids, friends, etc I have a wife that does not need to be taken care of. So she doesn’t understand my needs. I have told her but it is like trying to explain color to a blind person. She just doesn’t get it. So I don’t get all I need from her. I get quite a bit from what I do for her and others. Is it enough? I seem to be “surfing the web more than ever so probably not. She is a good woman just not wired like I am. Not her fault. Not mine. You probably won’t be able to change your husband. You probably won’t be able to change yourself. You can try couseling. Ya never know. It might help. Good luck.
    Greg

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  47. Evil Genius September 8, 2008 9:27 am

    I have the same sort of marriage, and have been through what you’re going through in a round-a-bout for many years now. And since this is my SECOND marriage, I guess I finally feel that it’s not so much that I suck at marriage, it’s that I suck at picking men who go into relationships with expectations and goals and levels of maturity/responsibility/thoughtfulness/appreciation, etc. that match mine.

    It’s not wrong for either of you to have expectations. But when they don’t match, there is conflict. And somehow, even the second time around, I failed to recognize that fact.

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  48. Faiqa September 8, 2008 9:34 am

    Hmmm. I’m going to take that as a compliment.

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  49. Maria September 8, 2008 9:39 am

    I pretty much suck ass at being married. The difference between you and I is that I refuse to try to change because I know it won’t be reciprocated.

    That in and of itself makes you an awesome wife.
    :rock:

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  50. Blessings From Above September 8, 2008 9:53 am

    Thank you for this post! You have no idea how much I can relate to this right now.

    You are not being selfish at all. Marriage is hard work. But it is only going to work if both parties are willing to change.

    Hang in there!

    ((HUGS))

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  51. Kate September 8, 2008 9:58 am

    Don’t get me wrong.
    My motives are off at times too.
    Didn’t mean to sound preachy, if I did.
    It’s a Monday, I’m still waking up. :nana:

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  52. Janelle September 8, 2008 10:11 am

    Britt! I totally get it now. Sorry for not getting it before. I guess what makes my marriage work and the fact that I willing to give and give and give is that my hubby gives back to me too. I failed to recognize that before and I’m sorry the light is just now turning on over my head.
    Marriage is give and take, however, one always gives more than the other- that is no secret and if anybody tells that marriage is 50/50 is lying or highly medicated. But marriage IS 40/60 or even 30/70… It’s not 0/100. If you are in a 0/100 marriage then I say RUN! Run for the hills! Oh I kid, I kid…. but Jared does need a wakeup call. Point blank. Can’t Adam talk to him and shake him and say, “Dude! Wake UP! You have this amazing wife… you better start making her feel like she is amazing, special, your life would incomplete without her or SHE is going to move herself and the kids in with me!! AND then YOU, Jared, will see all the crap she does for you that you don’t even notice!!!” Ok, something like that anyways?? OR just go on Wife Swap. That show always seems to do the trick for the folks that go on that show. It’s just a thought…. hang in there Britt… you got folks all over America praying for you about this and whatever you decide to do, we will support you.

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  53. Finn September 8, 2008 10:16 am

    I told myself that his happiness was ultimately the same as our happiness.

    I think I saw this in an Ladies’ Home Journal article from the 50s.

    I’d be lying if I didn’t admit that the last question… my last why… is why doesn’t he want to take care of me?

    This is the lament of many strong, indpendent women. I suspect he doesn’t think you really need it. He may be just a little bit intimdated by you.

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  54. usedtobeme September 8, 2008 10:28 am

    I don’t think you need to MAKE HIM happy, happieness starts within. AND a very wise friend told me once that it wasn’t my job to make the other person happy, I could only work on me, it’s up to the rest of them to do it themselves.

    That probably doesn’t help, does it?

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  55. Robin September 8, 2008 10:32 am

    I’m confused, I thought marriage was supposed to be about a give and take, but what do I know.

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  56. ali September 8, 2008 10:33 am

    um..yeah…so, it kind of sounds like HE is the one who sucks at marriage. you? are awesome.

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  57. RuthWells September 8, 2008 10:39 am

    Marriage only works if both partners are willing to work and fight for it. Sounds to me like you’re fighting all by yourself, and that’s going to have to change. Luckily, that really is possible — I’ve been married for 18 years and I can attest to it. But, man, it’s hard work. Is counselling an option?

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  58. steen September 8, 2008 10:48 am

    Wanting a partnership isn’t being needy.

    I have this tendency to take the blame for things, to assume I’m being too needy, too high-maintenance, too analytical. I always feel like I’m poking and prodding at an open sore.

    But you know what? Sometimes, it’s NOT you. Sometimes, it’s really HIM. Sometimes, it’s BOTH of you. And it sucks, all the mental torture you go through to get to that point.

    It’s not a matter of who is a bad wife or who is a bad husband; it’s just that you guys maybe aren’t good together anymore for one reason or another. Playing the blame game won’t do any good.

    It sucks that you’re left feeling this way. :\

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  59. Cricky September 8, 2008 10:51 am

    Mattie hit the nail on the head. My husband has said the exact same thing to me.

    I am a custodial stepmother, living with my husband, 8 year old, my sister and her 4 year old. I work 2 jobs and remain very active in my civic orgs. I am independent to a fault. I try my best to do everything I can to make my household run smoothly and make everyone’s lives easier.

    I never really give Joe a chance to take care of me. I’m not used to having someone there to take care of me, even after 4.5 years of marriage.

    You’re not a shrew because you expect care and nurturing from your husband.

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  60. Ginger September 8, 2008 10:51 am

    I’m not sure how long you have been married, and I do not want to insult your intelligence (you certainly have a lot of folks who care about you enough to leave advice here and that’s so awesome!), but I just wanted to put a little reminder in here that marriages go through ebbs and flows. There are times when you will be the one who gives more (i.e., now) and times when he will (I hope, soon). These cycle may last for longer periods of time than others. Perhaps right now is your time to be the one who is the giver. Yes, that sucks, but if you can just keep hanging on, maybe in the long run you will look back and see how worth it this all was to learn about each other in this way.

    I guess the bottom line is I wanted to encourage you to not lose hope…

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  61. Steph September 8, 2008 11:05 am

    I suck at it too!

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  62. Patti September 8, 2008 11:07 am

    It’s posts like these that scare me off of marriage because they reaffirm my already significant fears/paranoias about it. In my mind, marriage is meant to be you being focused on your husband’s happiness and him being focused on yours. Because, in theory, that’s how it’ll work best, right? In an ideal world, if we each worry about the other person’s happiness more than our own, then we’ll both be happy…or something like that.

    But so often it seems that in reality it’s one person focusing on the happiness of the other person, who is content to reap the benefits of said focus while feeling no need/desire to reciprocate. Maybe some people are genuinely selfless enough to continue giving when they are getting nothing back, to live their lives totally for the happiness of another person.

    Maybe some people are that selfless, but I’m afraid I’m not. And I’m not sure that’s an all bad thing, you know?

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  63. Erin September 8, 2008 11:10 am

    Hang on, I’m confused…

    When you tell him what you need = you suck
    When you don’t tell him what you need and bend over backwards trying not to need at all and instead focus 100% on keeping him happy= you still suck?

    When is it his turn to suck? Further, why is it a bad thing for him to feel like he isn’t doing something right but it is okay for you to turn yourself inside out and hate on yourself when things get rough? Why is his ego is more important than yours?

    The only thing that pretending everything is fine when it isn’t is good for is working yourself up into a spectacular tantrum that will erupt when you least expect it–which could make everything even worse.

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  64. melanie September 8, 2008 11:25 am

    He might not know you need to be taken care of. I haven’t read long enough to know, but have you told him exactly what you need? In a non-threatening demanding way? (totally not saying you are like this) But sometimes it does need to be spelled out to them.

    Try reading Love Languages. I don’t have the author off hand but you can google it. People express their love in different ways…like mowing the lawn…this book will help you see how the other shows love.

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  65. anne September 8, 2008 11:29 am

    “Why can’t I be like those women who genuinely don’t need so god damn much? Why can’t I just build my whole damn life around this man with no ulterior motive or expectations of my own?”

    Britt, you *know* those women don’t exist, except maybe as Stepford Wife images on old reruns. And that’s just fucking boring and prehistoric, if you ask me. Building your whole life and wants and needs around another person without any regard to your needs/wants/desires is total self-annihilation. And you’re too awesome to do that to yourself.

    You have every right to expect your husband to be an active member of your marriage partnership, to care for you, to fight for you, to stand up and work with you. I’m not experienced enough in marriage to offer any advice on how to get that through his skull (p.s. cast-iron objects don’t work for this purpose…), but oh, how I want that for you. I so want that huge lightbulb to go on in his head.

    It is not 100% your responsibility to make things work or to fix a situation all by yourself, either, so when you give everything you have and more and it still doesn’t come out the way you want, don’t blame yourself. It’s not what YOU didn’t do…

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  66. Wendy September 8, 2008 11:43 am

    Oh I could have typed these words myself. I don’t have any advice. I am in the middle of it myself. I think it is a stage, though. And his being at the point he is in his career with having to work so much, which leaves you overwhelmed with the rest isn’t helping. All that I have ever read on this blog makes me think you really do love him, and he does love you. Same for me and mine. But sometimes I just want someone to take care of ME for a change. You need that too. Sounds like you need that too. You sound as overwhelmed as I do. Cry. Blog. Scream. And keep talking to him. You are not a shrew. If you are, then you are in some very very very good company!!!

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  67. Jerri Ann September 8, 2008 11:43 am

    Hey, you know what, it takes 2 to make a marriage work, if you suck at it, then he probably does too. Don’t beat yourself up. I would love it if you would come over to Marital Talk and write about it some of this, you can even go in greater detail if you want to comment or write anonymously.

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  68. Steph September 8, 2008 11:47 am

    If you’re husband isn’t reciprocating then you don’t suck at being married. However, and I only say this because I’ve been there myself: have you told him what you want? As in “given him specifics” of what you expect?

    If so, then ignore me. But if not perhaps a very detailed roadmap might be in order. And like I said, I only mention it because I’ve gone through a lot of what you are experiencing and tried the same tactics and it wasn’t until I told him “Dude, a little help?”

    Of course, as I have mentioned, if you have already done that then crap… maybe your husband sucks at marriage and not you.

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  69. the pensive one September 8, 2008 11:54 am

    I can relate. Totally. I think I already did a lot of work and still am struggling.

    What helped me so far is: not to ask why. (Doesn’t lead anywhere.)
    And to focus on my part in the game. The rest may (or may not) follow.
    And (hence) the hardest: trying to let go of my expectations. Bit by bit.
    They say: plan the action, not the result…

    (Hope I’m not boring you with this but I felt like sending you a sign of sympathy.)

    And besides: great blog Britt!

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  70. AmyD September 8, 2008 11:59 am

    Time to move to Plan B. Yeah, I know we said that when you moved to Florida it would be great for you guys to only have YOU GUYS to rely on.

    But! We ALSO said that in Florida nobody knows him, and thus, no one would notice when he goes missing, unlike small town Iowa. And, then we talked about alligators and swamps and everglades and shovels and things.

    And, we talked about that long planned trip for you and the kids to come visit us on the West coast (*cough* alibi *cough*) while he stayed home and worked.

    Remember all that?

    Good. Call me when you get those plane tickets. :hug:

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  71. TheMama September 8, 2008 12:04 pm

    Um, no. Ok, so I don’t know you and you don’t know me, and I don’t really know your life, but this has me ranting at the screen. Sorry for the anger that’s about to pour in to this comment, but I can’t help myself.

    Hell mother effing no.

    Marriage is a two way street. It’s a partnership. It’s not a frigging monarchy.

    It takes work. It takes sacrifice. It takes compromise. What it does not take is a commitment to indentured servitude for the rest of your life.

    I am so over the Promisekeepers, Surrendered Wife, bullshit that seems to have convinced women that they are less than human if they would prefer chocolate ice cream to their husband’s favorite vanilla.

    Two become one. Not one grinds the other one into sumbission and takes away all evidence of their having existed without them in the first place.

    :crazywife:

    Rant over.

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  72. NYCWD September 8, 2008 12:21 pm

    I’m not going to try and give advice on relationships because of a) my obvious failed attempt in matrimony and b) my obvious failed attempt at getting a toothbrush holder yesterday.

    I will however say that I think your perseverance in the face of seemingly overwhelming odds should not go unnoticed or unreciprocated in the least and that it is in fact a two-way street so all blame does not lie with you.

    Of course, that and $2.oo gets you on the subway, but hey… at least they’re both INTERESTING rides!

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  73. Doo Dah September 8, 2008 12:52 pm

    is your hub and my hub separated at birth?

    I knows exactly where you are coming from babe.

    I tried the exact same shiot recently, thinking he is right, I am too me-me-me-me. When I stepped back, doted on him and the kids for a while, I noticed something.

    Everybody forgot me. Nobody appreciates me. Nobody respects me. mom is just here to SERVE.

    Fuck that. :crazywife:

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  74. Carolyn Bahm September 8, 2008 1:34 pm

    Britt,

    I’m sorry; I know how painful a similar situation was for me. For what it’s worth, I think you’re doing the right thing to try different approaches, evaluate the results, talk with your husband, and get the support of friends to help you with perspective, patience, good humor, and affection for you as you are. I agree with other commenters that counseling is an important next step to consider. I can tell you from personal experience that it really helps for an objective person to listen to both of you.

    Here’s my labored analogy for a relationship: I think about it like a husband and a wife each have a checking account. An emotional checking account, you might say. You can draw on each other’s accounts, and you can add to each other’s accounts. It’s great if you can add to his bottom line by being generous, but getting overdrawn yourself isn’t healthy for you or the relationship. You both need to have positive balances, you know? He needs to start making some heftier deposits in your account — either on his own (smart fellow) or because you’ve figured out what reasonable approach would elicit that from him. (Okay, no sex jokes at my ridiculous wording about “making deposits.”) I hope you know what I mean, and that I mean well. :o )

    Very best wishes to you and your husband.

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  75. Princess of the Universe September 8, 2008 1:45 pm

    OK, I can’t read all the comments, so I apologise if I’m being redundant here:

    If things are in fact the way you’ve described, then you seem to be going from one extreme to another, and of course that can’t be maintained in the long-term. You can’t behave in the exact opposite way that you always have and not come out exhausted and resentful in the end. It’s simply not possible.

    Now that being said, I very much doubt that you are generally demanding and shrewish. I think you are a strong woman who knows what is right. I think that Jared knows who you are, and beneath all that strength and confidence, he knows that at heart you are a sweet loving person.

    Perhaps that’s what makes him accept/tolerate any moments of nagging. Or perhaps he takes advantage of it. Who of us could say?

    But I do agree that you’re not happy, and that perhaps whomever it was that suggested counseling was correct. Perhaps a third party might give some perspective. At least it will be someone qualified to tell you some things that might need to be worked on.

    Hugs, kisses and happy thoughts…

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  76. georgeh September 8, 2008 1:54 pm

    You are not the one who sucks at marriage.

    Find a new man who will give you what you need and let your ex find a maid, which is what he really needs.

    Neither of you can change your basic natures, and they aren’t compatible, unless you want to stay stoned and depressed the rest of your life.

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  77. Jessica (from It's my life...) September 8, 2008 2:31 pm

    WHOAH. Deep deep breath. Sounds to me like you are most definitely NOT the one who sucks at marriage.
    It’s EASY to give and give and give, when you get it all back! It’s not a life if you give and get nothing but a pat on the head in return. That’s not what marriage is supposed to be about. (Parenting maybe, but not marriage!) It’s supposed to be a give and take, a partnership, where each person takes equal responsibility for taking care of the other.

    I think your experiment was a roaring success. You tried it the other way and it DIDN’T work! The goal is not making HIM happy, it’s making BOTH OF YOU happy.

    Hang in there and stop listening to those who would have you believe that an ideal marriage is one where the wife subjugates herself completely to her husband’s happiness.

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  78. Jed September 8, 2008 2:33 pm

    My wife did something similar to me when we were at loggerheads over some issues a while back. Going from fighting to happiness and smiles was fantastic for a couple of weeks, but it tricked me into thinking that the issues were resolved and everything was ok. After it was explained to me that everything was not ok (generally I like to think I am fairly bright, but when it comes to my relationship with my wife a drill and funnel are usually needed to get things into my head) we talked and realized that both of us were trying to do what was best for our marriage, but we had different views of what needed to be done. The happy weeks were a good reminder that not only do I love this person, but I also liked being with her when it wasn’t a constant fight/tension. Wow, that was long and most likely irrelevant to you. Good luck.

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  79. Melissa September 8, 2008 2:39 pm

    Because he thinks you can take care of yourself. I’ve got one at home just like him….frustrating, huh?

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  80. Coal Miner's Granddaughter September 8, 2008 3:25 pm

    There is so much great advice here, so I’m not going to repeat it. What I will say is find a marriage counselor you’re both comfortable with (maybe even your church’s priest?) and start going. Use that third part to get the two of you talking to one another while doing it on neutral ground.

    And you so don’t suck at this marriage thing. Seriously. I think, from where I sit and read, that you’re doing all you can and more. :heartbeat:

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  81. Miss Britt September 8, 2008 3:54 pm

    greg t: thanks for the luck.

    Evil Genius: I can honestly say we never discussed our expectations going into this relationship.

    Other than “we won’t get divorced”.

    Faiqa: it was meant as one. ;-)

    Maria: maybe I’ve been married longer. I used to be more likely to “refuse”.

    Blessings From Above: you’re welcome I guess. Although for your sake, I suppose I wish you DIDN’T relate! lol

    Kate: not preachy at all.

    Janelle: thanks for your support. Although I don’t think having Adam talked to Jared about OUR marraige is probably a good idea. I can’t imagine anyone taking that well. LOL

    Finn: well, the divorce rate was lower then, wasn’t it?

    usedtobeme: I thought I was trying to work on me. Maybe I just have a really short attention span.

    Robin: newbie :-P

    ali: lol, well, it probably sounds like that because HE doesn’t blog. :heartbeat:

    RuthWells: I think that the fact that *I* am doing the writing here probably distorts things quite a bit.

    steen: wouldn’t it be great if there was some online quiz that could answer all those questions?

    Cricky: care and nurturing – I’m writing those words down.

    Ginger: 8 and a half years – I’m familiar with the ebb and flow. Doesn’t make it suck any less!

    Steph: well, at least we both do!

    Patti: don’t let me scare you. I’m a nutjob.

    Erin: ok, ok, so you make a good point about extremes in either direction.

    melanie: I’ve tried – but maybe I haven’t been clear or specific.

    anne: they DO exist though! I have seen those women, and they are wonderful!

    Wendy: yeah, I think it’s pretty common for caretakers to find themselves wanting to be cared for once in a while.

    Jerri Ann: and to tango, too, right? ;-)

    Steph: I feel like I have, but maybe not.

    the pensive one: I feel like that’s what I’ve been trying (and failing at), aside from the “don’t ask why” bit.

    AmyD: there is no greater friend than the one who offers an alibi.

    TheMama: would you be insulted if I found that entire rant extremely adorable?

    NYCWD: oh shit, I wouldn’t say I’m in the face of seemingly overwhelming odds. It’s just life – right? RIGHT?!?!

    Doo Dah: I don’t handle being forgotten well.

    Carolyn Bahm: yeah! Give me a deposit! I love bank analogies.

    Princess of the Universe: me? Extreme? Noooooooo.

    georgeh: hm. well. That wins most interesting comment of the day.

    Jessica (from It’s my life…): it seems like there are a lot of different ideas on what marriage is “supposed” to be.

    You know, I wonder what he would say it’s “supposed” to be…

    Jed: it was actually very, very relevant. Thank you.

    Melissa: yep!

    Coal Miner’s Granddaughter: thanks babe – for all of it.

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  82. Finn September 8, 2008 4:01 pm

    That’s because it was socially unacceptable. It doesn’t speak to the happiness of those marriages.

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  83. usedtobeme September 8, 2008 4:14 pm

    Britt – you are working on you. BUT, you said “I was focused on his needs and his happiness….I told myself that his happiness was ultimately the same as our happiness” and what I’ve learned is that you can’t MAKE someone be happy. They have to find it within themselves. It took me 15 hard years to make that connection. And, if you aren’t happy, you could never make someone else be happy anyway. (That sounded better in my head.)

    I had to find my happy first, then it filtered to those around me. I spent years wishing my husband was something he wasn’t and in the end, I realized he would never be that perfect combo of what I wanted so I accepted what I had, got thankful he wasn’t a wife beater or molester or an addict and once I accepted those things, I became more relaxed and actually happier.

    Of course, as we’ve discussed via comments and email, we moved here because he was in search of his Eden. He thought moving was the answer and it turned out not to be. I became stronger while he searched and did his own thing. He didn’t find it here because he had to figure out what made him happy within himself. Finally FINALLY this year he clued in and I will tell you things are different. We’re all different and happier and it fell into place.

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  84. Queen of Shake Shake September 8, 2008 4:45 pm

    Honest to God, Miss Britt, it’s the men who suck at marriage.

    I’m all for gratitude for what you have, but, with all due respect to other commenters, I should be give thanks for having a husband who only takes me totally for granted when he could be so much worse, like beat me or molest our children. WTF?

    I’m sorry, that type of gratitude sticks in my craw and I think it’s a terrible misconstruction of the true purpose of gratitude.

    I’m not perfect, he’s not perfect. But damn, a marriage is not about me taking complete care of him, giving and giving myself to him and our family, and him just cutting the grass.

    Men suck. The end.

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  85. Nan Patience September 8, 2008 4:47 pm

    From one selfish, ambitious, stubborn, proud, egotistical, babe to another, give it more time and think of it as a process (years, not weeks). I’m sure your husband loves you to pieces and that you’re meant to be together. He needs very, very concrete direction about what you need. And you need to know what you need first. Say out loud to each other that no one is going anywhere, and you’re going to work this out. Love gets sweeter and sweeter. It’s totally worth it to hang in there.

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  86. Crys September 8, 2008 5:00 pm

    is it me or is nobody in a happy marriage…

    …in the whole world (plus Africa)

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  87. Crys September 8, 2008 5:00 pm

    …oh, i forgot AVI

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  88. hello haha narf September 8, 2008 5:42 pm

    crys -

    and THAT, my friend, is why i have no intention of ever marrying. on *ONE* fucking hand can i count the number of truly happy married couples that i know. don’t get me wrong, i love men (oh how i love men), but i can honestly say that i am a happy person so there is no way i would get married. probably sad, but true.

    britt -
    i really don’t mean to be ticked, but i just get so frustrated with watching good people constantly bang their heads against the wall. you don’t deserve to feel as though you are a bad wife or that you have to do it all to keep the family going. i know it will get better, but i just want that to happen for you sooner rather than later. (remember the other day when i didn’t wanna comment on your marriage post coz i think my opinion is jaded? yeah, i probably should have not commented today either!)

    :heartbeat:

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  89. teri September 8, 2008 5:50 pm

    I have to agree with marriage counseling. You need the right tools before it’s too late. I’m a hopeful romantic and believe in forever, etc. So please think about it. He’s a guy and probably doesn’t even know there’s a problem.

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  90. Momma September 8, 2008 6:35 pm

    I thought it was evident that whichever marriage counceling a couple picks it goes without saying it HAS to be reciprocal. Never heard of “surrendered wife” or the like, but sounds pretty nasty to me. Some programs out there are real two way streets, and that should be paramount.

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  91. maggie, dammit September 8, 2008 7:07 pm

    You’re right, it needs to be reciprocated. And the reason it felt wrong? Is because you weren’t being you, and you have GOT to be you, Britt. There is no alternative.

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  92. Poppy September 8, 2008 7:50 pm

    Baby doll B, I just want to spend 5 minutes on Dawg’s laptop to say: If you pretend life is easy and ignore all the actual obstacles and problems and issues that need to be resolved then OF COURSE it will seem on the surface that life is great and happy and grand…

    …and then one day you wake up and realize you’re not living life, you’re living a STAGED life, and it’s not you and it’s not fair to you OR your partner in marriage and you either both agree to fix it or you get the privilege to (sigh) LOSE THE BASTARD.

    I personally can have a great day with a perfect stranger, doesn’t mean I wanna marry him.

    And, FYI, in the end we found the very best toothbrush holder on the entire planet, after a small misunderstanding of Dawg thinking I wanted him to tell me that something ugly-but-functional that I picked out was fine when, in fact, it was not, and would have totally ruined the theme bathroom he designed if we had gone through with the original purchase. Bullet dodged!

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  93. Lin September 8, 2008 8:06 pm

    You should be GRATEFUL that you and your husband are even in the same country. My husband is in Iraq and… uhm.. wait.. never mind. I have always wondered why spouses of deployed soldiers felt they could use that to blast people who have real problems in their marriage. Now.. for my real comment.

    My husband is much like yours. I’m much like you — only fatter, with straighter hair, a few more years..well you get the picture. Anyway… I need to be taken care of. My husband is pretty good at some of it. But when I point out to him where he fails, when I stress to him in no uncertain detail what I NEED, he doesn’t do it. Just recently I sent him an email explaining for no less than the one hundreth million trillionth time how he made me feel less-than-loved. His email back to me made me feel so guilty that I ended up aplogizing to HIM for needing more. WTF?!

    I ramble. I guess I’m saying you don’t at marriage. Marriage just… SUCKS. But it doesn’t suck nearly as much as being alone without the one you love (as in not having them in your life. Not as in having them deployed._

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  94. Elizabeth September 8, 2008 8:09 pm

    They say that a relationship is a two-way thing, but there’s always someone giving more than the other. What you have to worry about is if that someone is ALWAYS giving more than the other.

    Maybe you guys could try counseling? I wish there was some quick, easy way to fix things. ::hugs::

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  95. Sarcastic Mom September 8, 2008 9:14 pm

    There is nothing wrong with you expecting the giving to be reciprocal. That’s the point of being married.

    I read once that the best marriages are those where each person considers the feelings of the other person over his/her own. When that truly happens, there’s still someone who always considers your feelings first, so you never have to, and both of you are always taken care of.

    Sounds beautifully perfect, doesn’t it?

    Now if only it were as easy as it is beautiful.

    By the way, the mere fact that it all “bothers” you so much, that you’re trying so hard, seems to preclude the idea that you “suck at marriage.” Just sayin. ;-)

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  96. Mrs. Schmitty September 8, 2008 9:16 pm

    Well, apparently I just figured out MY problem. I must suck at it to. And while you are at it, throw in sucking as a mom too. [as I sit here sniveling snot outta my nose because I just blew up at EVERYONE].

    I feel like I give and give and give…and they all seem to be shoving it up my ass lately. But I’m not suppose to get frustrated or mad. I’m not suppose to say anything about it. I’m suppose to just smile and keep giving.

    Bull. I need a vacation….alone.

    P.S. Sorry I just made this about me. I just happen to read your post at the wrong time and can SO relate.

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  97. HoosierGirl September 8, 2008 10:27 pm

    Wow, after all those comments I don’t know what to say. My advice is to go see a marriage counselor. And if he says he won’t go, give him an ultimatim.

    Good luck.

    J.

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  98. Stephanie September 8, 2008 10:28 pm

    Britt…I haven’t read all the comments, because..wow. There is a lot of them! LOL.

    I am probably saying what has been said, but marriage is fucking hard. It is a constant effort. And I think sometimes we (women) tend to go for so long trying to conform, and make things “right”, that we end up creating…no wait…that’s not right…we end up ENABLING the husbands. We have let these things go on for so long, they SOMETIMES don’t even realize that they are, in essence, drifting along in the marriage….floating, per se…while we are furiously paddling the boat, trying to keep it afloat. I know this is probably a stupid analagy, that makes no sense, but I can’t figure out how else to say it. Don’t be so hard on yourself…you are your own worst critic. :heartbeat: :hug:

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  99. Winter September 8, 2008 10:55 pm

    I think everyone sucks at marriage at some point. No one person is perfect so how can 2 be perfect always? Not gonna happen. I’ve had my fair share of wondering when there would be something in this relationship for myself. I guess the bottom line for me is that I know it should be fair and equal. However, like the rest of life, it’s not. There are times I get very little back. There are times I get nothing back. There are times I’m overwhelmed by what Rott gives me. Overall, I give more than he does, but after 10 years, I’ve finally decided that it really is okay that things are this way. Equality may only happen in a perfect world. I cherish the times Rott is the giver because I know it could be awhile before the next time. I think about what my life would be like if he was dead… and I then I REALLY realize that as imperfect as he is, as little as he sometimes gives back, my life is so much LESS without him… If it were a choice between having him and feeling “Hey, where’s something for me” 2/3rds of the time or not having him at all… The not having him is clearly not an option at all, regardless of how much either of us suck at this relationship. So sometimes I just tell him, what’s in for me? You make me feel like a doormat you asshole. The next thing I know he’s fired up Titanic, made some popcorn, and wants a cuddle. And then I don’t mind so much that I had to go out at midnight to buy him a pack of smokes.

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  100. maman September 9, 2008 12:43 am

    I am not going to tell you that I have read all the responses, because I haven’t. But I can tell you that I an there and not sure what to do either… and it is hard. What do you want? That is what you need to decide.

    I have made my decision… I am waiting for my girls to grow up.. After that, my life is mine…

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  101. Nina September 9, 2008 12:54 am

    Look, I suck at all things man related, but I know this about the male creature: you are doing right. Keep trying. And if in the end you have needs unmet, voice them calmly, rationally. Say please and thank you. And then let him step up. If he doesn’t step up, get on your knees and pray for your own peace of mind and for peace in your marriage. You are in it for the long haul, and just because things are sucking now does not mean they will always suck. Hang in there. You are a good gal and you don’t suck at marriage. You are trying the best you can and that’s the best anyone can ask of you – including your husband.
    :heartbeat:

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  102. TSM September 9, 2008 4:24 am

    I knew it!!

    I woke up with a headache this morning as if someone had gone into my brain and SUCKED OUT the contents!!

    It was YOU!

    Seriously, though…we should talk. I think about a few years ahead of you as far as how long we’ve been married, but we face almost the exact same situations. I’ve done what you’re doing. I feel the exact! same! way!

    I have some tricks to share, if you’re interested.

    By the way, you still smoke free??

    -T

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  103. Miss Britt September 9, 2008 6:52 am

    Finn: OK, fair point.

    usedtobeme: I’m really glad that you were both able to get to where you needed to be for it to be good TOGETHER. I’m glad your patience was ‘rewarded’ so to speak.

    Queen of Shake Shake: yeah, I don’t buy into the “at least he doesn’t beat me” thing either. There is grateful – and there is groveling. Or something.

    Nan Patience: years, not weeks – great advice. Hard to follow – but wise nonetheless. ;-)

    Crys: *snort*

    hello haha narf: everyone is not unhappy in their marriages honey. But it IS a lot of work – obviously. I won’t lie about that.

    I’m not, overall, unhappy. Marriage is like parenting – it’s a lot of work, it’s a lot of stress – but it’s worth it. Ultimately.

    teri: I believe in forever, too.

    Momma: you’ve really never heard of that? It’s in the Bible. ;-)

    maggie, dammit: hmmm – you might have a point there.

    Poppy: :heartbeat: :heartbeat: :heartbeat:

    Lin: people like to compare pain, it’s weird. BUT – I will say – I am, actually, very GRATEFUL to have him here. :-D

    Elizabeth: I like quick and easy too. Damn it.

    Sarcastic Mom:
    “I read once that the best marriages are those where each person considers the feelings of the other person over his/her own. When that truly happens, there’s still someone who always considers your feelings first, so you never have to, and both of you are always taken care of.”

    SEE! YES! That right there is what I’m imagining in my little head!

    Mrs. Schmitty: oh honey, I’m so sorry you had a rough night. :-(

    HoosierGirl: he would never say he wouldn’t go.

    Stephanie: trying to make things “right” does seem to be a pretty habitual thing for women, doesn’t it?

    Winter: that fire up the Titanic thing when I mention it?

    THAT is what I want. THAT is what I’m waiting for.

    maman: it kills me that you have to live like that. It really does.

    Nina: um, excuse me – HOW THE FUCK DID YOU GET SO SMART ON THIS STUFF?? Wow.

    TSM: yes – I AM Smoke Free stll! YAY! How about you?

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  104. Kathryn September 9, 2008 10:51 am

    I second what Nina said! Very good advice.

    I come from a long line of happy marriages and am in one myself. But being in a happy marriage does not mean you are always happy. I don’t think anyone is always happy. Single or married. It is not normal to always be happy. Living with another person is hard. End of story. Melding two different personalities is hard. Throw some little people into the works and it gets REALLY hard. But like Nina said, just because it sucks right now doesn’t mean that it will always suck. Every marriage goes through some really tough spots but when you come through them your marriage is closer and better for it.

    Try the counseling. And pray. A lot. :)

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  105. heather September 9, 2008 3:11 pm

    I don’t think that either you or your husband “suck at marriage.” Please believe me. I suck at marriage, for real. I’ll tell you how I know: I really love my husband for many reasons, he is really a good guy, but, I don’t want to be married. We know that when the kids grow up we are going to separate and not out of hate or resentment. I just don’t want to live with anyone. I want to live alone.

    No one is angry anymore. We understand. That is what not wanting marriage sounds like Miss Britt. Angry divorces come from people that WANT to be married, things that just end make the sound of dead fish thloping on a cutting board. Your emotion speaks volumes.

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  106. hoatzin September 9, 2008 6:03 pm

    I just want to tell you that your posts about depression have been very, very helpful to me over the past few days. I now have a much better understanding of what is happening to me, and what I might do about it. Thank you!

    I am sorry to read what you are going through now, you are a good person and deserve good things.

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  107. Jayme September 9, 2008 9:49 pm

    I am too impatient to really ALL the comments. So I will say my peace (or is it piece?) and how you havent already read/heard it.

    One, no, marriages are not always 50/50… but even when they are off balance, a good marriage typically swings in balance, as in, you give more in one area, him in another and sometimes at different times.
    Two, it is NEVER wrong to need your own needs met, but no one is a mind reader. In your man’s head while he was getting all this extra attention, all he could think is, “Damn I did something right.” If HE started bring home chocolates every night for you, would you question it?
    The problem is everyone keeps wording it as “asking” him to help out, or give back… don’t ask, just let him know… Want help around the house? “Honey, please clear off the table and put the dishes in the sink while I go clean up the kids.” “Honey, I was thinking you and I put the kids to bed and cuddle and make out on the couch tonight.”
    You don’t kill your pride having to ask or beg… and he actually knows what you want and how he can be of use.
    As for counseling… if you look into it, some places have accomaditions for kids too (at least the one my parents went to did.) and even through a church, they just MAY come to your house if you look into it.
    There is also another site called marriageadvice.com that my sister has been reading different articles on and seems to like it.

    But like most everyone seems to be saying, men and women think different, they show affection and love different. Sometimes the best thing to do is set aside time to go on “dates” with each other. Connect, talk, share and laugh…the everyday life is hard, you both need time where you put that aside to focus on yourselves and each other…

    I will shut up now

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  108. K8spade September 9, 2008 11:17 pm

    Bullshit. You don’t suck at marriage. Marriage must be harder than we thought, is all. I guess all men do that, because mine does it, too. Only when I break down and cry in frustration and concern that he doesn’t love me does he say he loves me and would never do anything to hurt me. Then would it kill you to make me a damn sandwich?? Just talk to him, honestly and openly. That works best, although I still think they really don’t get it.

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  109. Summer September 10, 2008 2:15 am

    Heh, seems to me that it’s your husband that sucks at this marriage stuff.

    Who tried the most? You.
    Who pretended she didn’t exist as a human being? You.
    Who put herself on the back burner? You.

    Who took it all in and never gave back? Him.

    All evidence here points towards his inability to handle a real relationship.

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  110. Kat September 10, 2008 2:36 am

    Screw judgmental whores who call you a shrew, like its a bad thing.

    Apparently lots of men do this, because mine does too. Its a balancing act, this married life. Not being a total bitchhole, while still making it known that reciprocation is required. I haven’t figured out how to do that without yelling occasionally and calling names. But I’m getting a little better at it. And he’s working on being less obtuse. Progress is progress.

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  111. Kit September 10, 2008 11:04 am

    Two weeks ?
    Um. Yeah… I can train you to do hold down a job at McDonald’s in that time, but what’s the reward ?
    Min wage, that’s what.

    Marriage isn’t a no GED no training required task.
    Marriage is an MBA, honey.

    If you REALLY are the problem, you need to hear this : The 80/20 rule applies to marriage.

    Even marital counselors will admit that year, 80% of the problem is ONE person, the mess of an unhappy marriage is 80% or MORE the fault of one person.

    Maybe it’s not you. Maybe it IS.
    If you were seriously trying to mend things, is it at all possible that TWO WEEKS is NOT going to bring your emotional bank account with hubby up to the point where he feels safe making a few deposits in return ???

    You’ve got over 100 responses blowing sunshine and in general trying to make YOU feel better.

    Those ego boosts might feel great.
    What do they do for your marriage ?
    Ask yourself if two weeks would be enough time for you to get over years of heartache.

    Then ask yourself if you really want to do the work of marriage, or if you just enjoy having something to gripe about in a blog.

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  112. heather September 10, 2008 2:19 pm

    Kit, my MBA husband says that he believes that the 80/20 rule applies 80% of the time.

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  113. Wayne September 17, 2008 2:01 pm

    Dear Britt:

    As one who has been happily married to the same woman for 28 years, and as one who practice the Christian faith, I believe I can share some insight that most of these folks have either overlook or they simply do not understand.

    First, marriage is 100/100, not 50/50 as the “world” asserts. Each partner must give their all, not half of themselves.

    Second, there must be “give and take” in the relationship with mutual respect which leads me to ask you this question: Do you really respect your husband? I ask because in reading some of your past postings, you could easily give the impression that you, not your husband, plays the “man’s” role in your marriage.

    Again, I say that with caution for the obvious reason that I neither know you nor your husband, but in your writings, you give the impression that you are running things, not your husband!

    It is vitally imnportant that a woman builds her man’s esteem, confidence, and manhood; that is simply how men are wired up. I recommedn a very easy reading book on marriage by a man named William Farley. The book is entitled: “His Needs, Her Needs”. Awesome!

    Third, as a Christian, it is important that both you and your husband allow Christ to be the “Centerpiece” of your home life, including your marriage. Are you guys actively involved in a local church where you are being taught the Word of God? You need that kind of enviroment to help you in the development of your marriage.

    There is so much more that I could say, but I sincerely wish you well as you seek to make your marriage better. One last thing: Please don’t listen to people who make it easy for you to distance yourself from your husband as we are living in a culture that no longer has the respect for traditional marriage or the traditional family as God Himself has established it.

    Blessings to You!

    Wayne

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  114. thedemigod September 23, 2008 11:56 am

    Hey Miss Britt,

    Let me preamble by saying
    1. I’ve never been married
    2. I’ve had 2 girlfriends
    3. I’ve had 3 boyfriends
    4. One of them beat the shit out of me in our year and a half together.

    And by no means is my current 6-year gay relationship a walk in the park.

    But I’ve been in similar situations in the past, and as difficult as it may be to understand or accept: you probably ARE the problem. Note that I didn’t say “in your marriage”, but rather that you ARE the problem, or more accurately, you have a problem.

    (I know, right, where does this fcking internetz stranger assmunch get the fck off?? LOL)

    Now that I’ve ripped off the bandage, let me apply some salve on the wound: you’re a queen, and a fabulous one at that. Perhaps the pauper in your life doesn’t realize what a treasure he has, but what’s more pressing is that you don’t realize your own royal accoutrements (is that spelled right?).

    You are on a pedestal, and you need to find a man who will continue to build and enhance your own pedestal, and still maintain his own. A king who will build his kingdom around you, and see you as an equal consort, and not just someone to bear his children, keep his bed, and be a “good little wife”.

    Self-esteem is sexy. Bring sexy back.

    :disco:

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  115. Debbie Dykes January 26, 2010 12:09 pm

    try http://www.BestMarriage.com
    and you will find that the root problem is HIM == if he will start loving you like he should, in action, putting you first and living with understanding with you, listening to you …. then, you can begin to respond to him the way you were designed to do

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